Originally posted by Louis Annino:
From the IPG on Drawing Extra Cards: “ If the identity of the card was known to all players before being placed into the hand, and the card can be returned to the correct zone with minimal disruption, do so and downgrade the penalty to a Warning.”
According to the situation you presented, the identity of the card is not known to all players and so this would still be a Game Loss. The identity of a card is its name, not simply that it is “not magma spray”.
Originally posted by Tobias Rolle:No you should not downgrade. This is actually quite exactly the old Domri Rade question. (http://apps.magicjudges.org/forum/topic/4642/)
I understand your point. However, if a player has zero cards in hand, and commits a DEC and ends up with one card in hand, is the drawn card not uniquely identifiable? If “identity known to all players” means that all players have to know the name, than this situation can not be downgraded. But the identity of the physical card is known to all players: It's the only card in the player's hand. Could I downgrade in this case?
Edited Christian Genz (Aug. 5, 2014 06:14:27 PM)
Edited Rebecca Lawrence (Aug. 5, 2014 09:42:27 PM)
"I'm gonna take an opportunity to plug the Annotated IPG. http://wiki.magicjudges.org/en/w/Annotated_IPG/"
Try: http://wiki.magicjudges.org/en/w/Annotated_IPG
Originally posted by Roger Dunn:
The players in this situation seem to be playing friendly with one another. How about we add this to the situation? Player A, knowing the rules of tournament Magic, knows that it is not against the rules to reveal his hand to player B. At that point, with his written list in hand, player A and player B now both can uniquely identify the card that had been drawn extra. Could we then downgrade to a Warning and instruct the players to continue playing?
IPG
If the identity of the card was known to all players before being placed into the hand, and the card can be returned to the correct zone with minimal disruption, do so and downgrade the penalty to a Warning.
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