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Grim Flayer and Progenitus

Dec. 22, 2016 10:36:16 PM

Eli Meyer
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Foundry))

USA - Northeast

Grim Flayer and Progenitus

I hit a player with Grim Flayer. I choose to put a Progenitus in the graveyard and the other two cards on top of my library. Do the two cards stay on top of my library, or do they get shuffled in?

Dec. 24, 2016 02:11:10 PM

Nathan Long
Forum Moderator
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Foundry))

USA - Southwest

Grim Flayer and Progenitus

Oops, this might require some more investigation. Answer removed until further discussions can happen (probably after the holidays).

Nathan Long
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Jan. 6, 2017 05:31:16 PM

Callum Milne
Forum Moderator
Judge (Uncertified)

Canada - Western Provinces

Grim Flayer and Progenitus

And (finally) said discussion has happened!

The other two cards will not end up shuffled into the rest of your library, and will instead end up on top of it in whichever order you choose.

Grim Flayer's ability tells you to put any number of the cards you're looking at into your graveyard and the rest on top of your library in any order. Progenitus's replacement effect alters this instruction, so now you're being told to shuffle Progenitus into your library and put the rest of the looked-at cards on top in any order. While the cards are technically present in the library at the time it's being shuffled, you accomplish this by keeping those cards set aside during the shuffle, and then placing them on top after you're finished, as is done with cards like Enlightened Tutor and Lim-Dûl's Vault.