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Alternate Play Draw Rule in a Grand Prix Trial

Oct. 23, 2014 11:51:15 PM

Frank Rodriguez
Uncertified, Judge

USA - Midatlantic

Alternate Play Draw Rule in a Grand Prix Trial

GPTs aren't listed in Magic Tournament Rules 2.2 Paragraph 3. Does this mean at GPT top 8 you use a random method to determine Play/Draw?

2.2 Paragraph 3

In certain Premier tournament playoff matches (Magic: The Gathering World Championship, World Magic
Cup, World Magic Cup Qualifiers, Pro Tour, Pro Tour Qualifier, Regional Pro Tour Qualifier, Preliminary Pro
Tour Qualifier, and Grand Prix), a different play/draw rule is used. In these playoff matches, the player that was
ranked higher in the Swiss rounds chooses either to play first or to play second in the first game of each match.
For the second and subsequent games, the loser of the previous game decides whether to play first in the next
game. This alternate play/draw rule may be used in other tournament playoff matches. If used, this must be
announced prior to the start of the tournament.

Oct. 23, 2014 11:54:17 PM

Nathen Millbank
Uncertified, Judge

USA - Pacific Northwest

Alternate Play Draw Rule in a Grand Prix Trial

The default is to use a random method, yes. But if you want, you can use the alternate method. Just be sure to announce it in your player meeting.

Oct. 23, 2014 11:54:40 PM

Dustin De Leeuw
Level 2 Judge (International Judge Program), Judge, Tournament Organizer

BeNeLux

Alternate Play Draw Rule in a Grand Prix Trial

Yes, a random method is even the default, unless you announced the Swiss play/draw rule prior to the start of the event.

Edit: 23 seconds late…

Edited Dustin De Leeuw (Oct. 23, 2014 11:56:09 PM)

Oct. 24, 2014 12:13:51 AM

John Trout
Level 2 Judge (Judge Foundry), Judge

USA - Southwest

Alternate Play Draw Rule in a Grand Prix Trial

The same goes for any other competitive level event that's not specifically listed in MTR 2.2, right? SCG IQ, TCG player events, etc. If it's not specifically announced at the beginning of the tournament, we must adhere to a random method. I find myself having to educate players about this, because they seem to expect the modified play/draw rule at ALL competitive level events.

Edit: clarifying extension

Edited John Trout (Oct. 24, 2014 12:16:49 AM)

Oct. 24, 2014 12:32:05 AM

Josh McCurley
Level 2 Judge (Judge Foundry), Judge, Scorekeeper, Tournament Organizer

USA - Northeast

Alternate Play Draw Rule in a Grand Prix Trial

Most (if not all) of the players I've come into contact with at competitive
level events expect the swiss rankings to determine the play/draw. I think
that it has become so ingrained in the player mentality that it should be
officially codified.

Oct. 24, 2014 12:52:20 AM

John Trout
Level 2 Judge (Judge Foundry), Judge

USA - Southwest

Alternate Play Draw Rule in a Grand Prix Trial

I second Mr. McCurley. Is there a reason we would NOT want to do that for all competitive level events with swiss rounds?

Oct. 24, 2014 01:47:01 AM

Scott Marshall
Forum Moderator
Level 4 Judge (Judge Foundry), Hall of Fame, Judge

USA - Southwest

Alternate Play Draw Rule in a Grand Prix Trial

'O'fficially under consideration…

April 22, 2015 02:44:54 AM

Frank Rodriguez
Uncertified, Judge

USA - Midatlantic

Alternate Play Draw Rule in a Grand Prix Trial

This has been changed correct? Its by default the alternative Play Draw rule, right?

April 22, 2015 02:54:17 AM

Addison Miller
Uncertified, Judge

USA - Midatlantic

Alternate Play Draw Rule in a Grand Prix Trial

Correct. I guess we need to find a better name for it than, “alternate,” now that it is the default.

April 22, 2015 02:55:23 AM

Marc DeArmond
Uncertified, Judge

USA - Pacific Northwest

Alternate Play Draw Rule in a Grand Prix Trial

MTR 2.2

In playoff matches, a different play/draw rule is used. In playoff matches, the player that was ranked higher in the Swiss rounds chooses either to play first or to play second in the first game of each match. For the second and
subsequent games, the loser of the previous game decides whether to play first in the next game.

Yes, it has.

April 22, 2015 03:15:31 AM

Claudio Martín Nieva Scarpatti
Uncertified, Judge

Latin America

Alternate Play Draw Rule in a Grand Prix Trial

Originally posted by Addison Miller:

Correct. I guess we need to find a better name for it than, “alternate,” now that it is the default.

“Playoff play/draw rule” seems to cover it, since it's now the default for all playoff matches.

April 23, 2015 05:15:09 AM

Frank Rodriguez
Uncertified, Judge

USA - Midatlantic

Alternate Play Draw Rule in a Grand Prix Trial

For Regular REL too?

April 23, 2015 05:34:00 AM

Claudio Martín Nieva Scarpatti
Uncertified, Judge

Latin America

Alternate Play Draw Rule in a Grand Prix Trial

Originally posted by Frank Rodriguez:

For Regular REL too?

The MTR does not make a distinction of REL about it.

Extracted from the Magic Tournament Rules (Section 2.2 “Play/Draw Rule”):

«In playoff matches, a different play/draw rule is used. In playoff matches, the player that was ranked higher in the Swiss rounds chooses either to play first or to play second in the first game of each match. For the second and subsequent games, the loser of the previous game decides whether to play first in the next game.»

April 23, 2015 06:50:07 AM

Scott Marshall
Forum Moderator
Level 4 Judge (Judge Foundry), Hall of Fame, Judge

USA - Southwest

Alternate Play Draw Rule in a Grand Prix Trial

Remember that the MTR is for Competitive and Professional REL; we're still anxiously awaiting a similar document specifically for Regular REL.

d:^D

April 23, 2015 07:33:03 AM

Scott Marshall
Forum Moderator
Level 4 Judge (Judge Foundry), Hall of Fame, Judge

USA - Southwest

Alternate Play Draw Rule in a Grand Prix Trial

Originally posted by Scott Marshall:

some blather about the MTR and Regular REL
Scott, you ninny, you're getting Regular and Casual All mixed up, again.

Or: ignore that. MTR does apply at Regular REL.

d:^P