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Always Double-Check - GOLD

Sept. 29, 2015 11:52:36 AM

Taylor Wyatt
Judge (Uncertified)

USA - Southeast

Always Double-Check - GOLD

Before reading: It appears to be a fairly unconventional case of D/DLP, but the penalty is the same. Game Loss for Elspeth. Check the Jace box on the checklist cards. Players go to the second game with no sideboarding.

After reading: Same.

Sept. 30, 2015 10:02:59 PM

Patrick Vorbroker
Forum Moderator
Judge (Level 3 (Judge Academy)), Scorekeeper

USA - Midatlantic

Always Double-Check - GOLD

Thanks for another great week of Knowledge Pooling!

Many of you correctly identified this as a Tournament Error - Deck / Deck List Problem, with a penalty of Game Loss. Unmarked Origins checklist cards in a deck that can produce multiple colors of mana could feasibly be used to represent multiple cards, so they can't be allowed. Elspeth should clearly mark those checklist cards, the players will start game 2 without sideboarding, and Elspeth will choose whether to play or draw.

Thanks for your participation, and look for our next scenario soon!

Sept. 30, 2015 10:56:05 PM

Benjamin Harris
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Academy))

USA - Midatlantic

Always Double-Check - GOLD

Originally posted by Patrick Vorbroker:

Unmarked Origins checklist cards in a deck that can produce multiple colors of mana could feasibly be used to represent multiple cards, so they can't be allowed.

To me, this begs the question “If the decklist had 24 Islands as their only source of mana, would the infraction and penalty be the same?”

The IPG entry for D/DLP says for ambiguous names on the deck list that “needing to check the deck for confirmation is a sign that the entry is not obvious.” I believe that same logic applies for checklist cards - needing to check the rest of the deck for confirmation is a sign that this is not obvious. I'm going to re-use Riki's line of thinking here - if we let a player play with this hypothetical mono-blue deck, and their opponent plays turn 1 Thoughtsieze, if they called a judge over to ask what the checklist cards are we'd essentially have to confirm that not only are there no other flip walkers in the deck, but also that it's a mono-blue deck! It feels to me like allowing unmarked checklist cards at all, regardless of deck composition, should not be allowed - for logistical and practical reasons as well as for consistency.