Edited Josh Stansfield (Feb. 11, 2016 11:24:59 AM)
…the player reveals the complete set of cards that contains the unrecoverable information and his or her opponent selects a number of cards equal to the number of excess or unverified cards. Those cards are returned to their original zone. If that zone is the library, they should be shuffled into the random portion.
Edited Marc Shotter (Feb. 11, 2016 08:39:29 AM)
Edited Charles Featherer (Feb. 14, 2016 04:25:50 PM)
If I agree with a fictional account by Anthony in which the cards ended up always separate, then this falls into an LEC-Warning and the same situation regarding description of the fix follows (only this time directed at Barnabus). (Edit note, with all the hub bub about HCE, forgot LEC still existed).
(Oh, and for the record before I'm asked - Sensei's Divining Top has no affect on my ruling. The cards revealed to Anthony were always hidden, so there is no way for both players to confirm the assertion that the cards on the top of Anthony's library were in the order he's stating).
If Anthony agrees that the cards touched, then there should be no need to offer a chance to appeal - Hidden Card Error, Warning. Thoughtseize fix the hand and two cards together, one card to shuffle into the unknown portion of the library.
No matter the result, remind both players to be careful when drawing cards.Always solid advice!
Edited Jarrett Boutilier (Feb. 15, 2016 07:06:06 AM)
Originally posted by Jarrett Boutilier:
Charles I want to point out that in the scenario it is stated that AP has two cards in hand after drawing two cards. They did not have any other cards in hand.
Niels Viaene
both cards were in his hand with some other cards
Originally posted by Marc Shotter:
We have Anthony revealthe two cardshis hand, the opponent then chooses one card to be shuffled into a random portion of the library.
Originally posted by Niels Viaene:
, says he didn't notice Anthony drawing two cards at once and that both cards were in his hand with some other cards when he called you
Originally posted by Charles Featherer:
Niels-
Perhaps it is the overall phrasing of this scenario? The way I read this - it sounds like there were two cards in one hand, and that from the continued description that there were other cards already in his hand…
Niels Viaene
, says he didn't notice Anthony drawing two cards at once and that both cards were in his hand with some other cards when he called you
Bolded emphasis is mine. If this is a situation where Anthony only has two cards in his hand now in total - from the bad draw - then my answers do in fact change.
Charles
Originally posted by Jarrett Boutilier:
Bolded for emphasis, I want to remind you that we need to know if a portion of the deck is known before making these kinds of fixes. Should you investigate with the two players last when the top was used?
Originally posted by Jarrett Boutilier:
Now the way you worded the bolded part causes concern for me.
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