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Conceding after knowing results

Feb. 23, 2017 10:16:22 PM

Joshua Feingold
Judge (Uncertified)

USA - Midatlantic

Conceding after knowing results

Slow Play has to do with the pace of taking physical actions in the game. If it's not fast enough, the players are committing the infraction.

Stalling is intentionally modifying your pace of play with the intent of taking advantage of any time limit. It doesn't necessarily need to be a round timer, but this is certainly the most common one you will run up against.

If the players have physical actions pending in their game, they need to keep taking them. If there are no actions pending, they can't commit Slow Play. (i.e., The game is finished, but the players have not filled out their match slip.) And it would be very difficult to construe their actions as taking advantage of a time limit.

Feb. 23, 2017 10:33:58 PM

Kenneth Pletinckx
Judge (Uncertified)

BeNeLux

Conceding after knowing results

Choosing not to play means you concede from the match, right? Can both players concede the match? :)

Feb. 24, 2017 02:21:38 AM

Emilien Wild
Forum Moderator
Judge (Level 3 (International Judge Program))

BeNeLux

Conceding after knowing results

Don't overthink it: if players are not playing, instruct them to play. We
don't want them to potentially delay the tournament.

- Emilien

Le 23 févr. 2017 15:42, “Kenneth Pletinckx” <
forum-33721-755d@apps.magicjudges.org> a écrit :

Choosing not to play means you concede from the match, right? Can both
players concede the match? :)

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Feb. 24, 2017 02:56:13 AM

Andrew Rodgers
Judge (Uncertified)

USA - Pacific Northwest

Conceding after knowing results

Sorry, this may be a bit of a newbie question. If the players had finished playing their match, but had waited until after the other match had finished to fill out their match slip, could one of them choose to concede so that his teammate with a better matchup gets to go to the finals? Is this outside the bounds of ‘any time’ in being able to concede at any time (i.e., after the games have technically finished)?

Feb. 24, 2017 03:04:52 AM

Bernie Hoelschen
Judge (Level 1 (Judge Academy)), Scorekeeper

USA - Northeast

Conceding after knowing results

Hi Andrew - see MTR 2.4 -
Originally posted by MTR 2.4:

If a game or match is not completed, players may concede or mutually agree to a draw in that game or match. A match is considered completed once the result slip is filled out or, if match slips are not being used, a player leaves the table after game play is finished. Until that point, either player may concede to or draw with the other (…)

As long as the slip isn't in, players can concede / draw, etc.

Edited Bernie Hoelschen (Feb. 24, 2017 03:05:42 AM)

Feb. 24, 2017 03:47:32 AM

Andrew Rodgers
Judge (Uncertified)

USA - Pacific Northwest

Conceding after knowing results

That makes sense! Thanks!

Feb. 25, 2017 02:53:57 PM

Kai Sternitzke
Judge (Level 1 (Judge Academy))

German-speaking countries

Conceding after knowing results

If they are teammates they “waiting players“ will have possibilities to spent time to their match without slow play.

They can do “play the first 3 turns in a game and then make it a draw“. And Start a new game.

This would not be sloy play, would it?

Feb. 25, 2017 07:23:25 PM

Markus Bauer
Judge (Uncertified)

German-speaking countries

Conceding after knowing results

It might be worthwhile to note that every played match must be recorded. That includes playing out games and waiting at the end of the third as well as drawing a billion times. I don't see a problem with this as long as players do not go out of their way to determine results or even influence others.

For example if two tables both wait on the other to finish we are going to have a problem.

Feb. 26, 2017 03:17:31 PM

Brandon Darby
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Academy)), Scorekeeper

USA - Plains

Conceding after knowing results

It feels as though we have incomplete information. For instance, did they quit playing as the other match was resolving? Did they just stop playing mid-game and wait for longer than a minute or two? Were they possibly at the end of a game and getting ready to shuffle? And if they stopped playing, what were they doing?