Welcome back to Knowledge Pool for 2018. We start the year with a Silver scenario. L2s should wait until Friday to jump in.

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Andrea and Norman have presented their decks to each other for Game 1 at their local Modern PPTQ. Norman does a pile shuffle of Andrea’s deck and asks afterwards, ‘So you are playing with 61 cards?’ Andrea replies, ‘What?! No…’ and quickly checks her sideboard: There are 15 cards. They call you over as a judge to help resolve the situation.

While checking Andrea’s deck, you find a Treasure token in the same colour sleeve as the deck as part of what she presented. What do you do?

This is a Deck problem. The deck presented to the opponent is found to be illegal during the presentation period as a token should not be part of the deck. Since the deck is found to be incorrect during the presentation period, this penalty is upgraded to a game loss.

Have the players go to game 2, Norman having won the first game. Sideboard are not yet “unlocked” as no games of magic has taken place. Andrea has the choice of the play or the draw. suggest to Andrea to sleeve tokens in a different sleeve as a quality of life improvement and to avoid further situation like this in the future.

Edit : People below got it right, You learn something new every day!!!

Edited Maxime Emond (Jan. 3, 2018 03:29:00 PM)

This is not an infraction. The token is not a “card,” and doesn't count as a part of the deck. There is also no, (or very little,) advantage to be gained by “adding” a token to the deck, since you wouldn't be able to do anything with it. Remove the token and tell the player to be careful, then let them reshuffle. Suggest using a different color sleeve for the token as well.

Originally posted by IPG 3.5:

Cards in different sleeves, tokens, and double-faced cards for which checklists are being used are ignored when determining deck (not sideboard) legality.

100% agree with David - not an infraction, suggest different or no sleeves for tokens, advise to be more careful, etc. Annotated IPG makes this even clearer.

Originally posted by IPG 3.5 Annotation:

.. tokens aren’t cards, so they don’t count anyway.

I agree with David. However I would have a chat with the player about sleeving the tokens in different sleeves in future to avoid this type of error

Graham

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On 3 Jan 2018, at 19:50, Bernie Hoelschen <forum-40651-60a2@apps.magicjudges.org<mailto:forum-40651-60a2@apps.magicjudges.org>> wrote:


100% agree with David - not an infraction, suggest different or no sleeves for tokens, advise to be more careful, etc. Annotated IPG makes this even clearer.


IPG 3.5 Annotation
.. tokens aren’t cards, so they don’t count anyway.

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Thanks everyone for the responses this week.

David had this one correct first.

This is not an infraction. Remove the treasure token from the deck, and let the players continue playing. Tokens, even if in the same sleeve as the deck aren't considered when determining deck legality. Advise the players to be careful, and that sleeving tokens in different colored sleeves is recommended.