Originally posted by IPG 3.5:
Upgrade: If an incorrect card in the deck or hand becomes visible to an opponent (for example due to it being revealed or put into a graveyard) or is discovered by a judge during a deckcheck the penalty is a Game Loss.
Edited Andrew Villarrubia (May 12, 2019 02:12:38 AM)
If the error is discovered during opening hands, instruct the player to mulligan. Otherwise, do not replace discovered erroneous cards in hands or other sets (such as a group of cards being scried or drawn).
Originally posted by Tyrone Phillips:
I understand why this upgrades to a game loss if a player is getting Thoughtseized or Glimpse the Unthinkable, but whats the philosophy behind upgradeing to a game loss if their own effect reveals the card? There seems to be little room for abuse.
Originally posted by Isaac King:
I assume you're referring to Comp REL here. It doesn't matter whose effect reveals the card, the potential for abuse is the same: wait to see if the opponent notices anything fishy- if they don't, play on as though nothing is wrong, if they do, immediately call a judge on yourself.
Upgrade: If an incorrect card in the deck or hand becomes visible to an opponent (for example due to it being revealed or put into a graveyard) or is discovered by a judge during a deckcheck the penalty is a Game Loss.I would like to discuss policy behind this. What I believe is true, that we have this upgrade to eliminate situations, when player draws sideboard card, and decide not to act upon this situation until time when opponent cast duress effect (for example) and they says “judge! I think I forgot to desideboard!” (this is event stated in AIPG)
Originally posted by Bartłomiej Wieszok:
Then, what if I would resolve Explore trigger with motions similar to Search for Azcanta? Incorrect card have not been visible to the opponent, so upgrade does not apply.
Originally posted by IPG:
Upgrade: If an incorrect card in the deck or hand becomes visible to an opponent (for example due to it being revealed or put into a graveyard) or is discovered by a judge during a deckcheck, the penalty is a Game Loss. This upgrade still applies if the player calls a judge with an effect on the stack or resolving that might cause the card to become visible.
Edited Matt Marheine (May 13, 2019 12:01:12 PM)
Originally posted by Matt Marheine:My mistake there, then indeed in both situations that will now end up with upgrade to GL.
Doesn't it?
Edited Randileigh Heckadon (May 20, 2019 06:26:34 PM)
Originally posted by Tyrone Phillips:
At regular I would have them desideboard, shuffle while maintaining the position of any cards known in the deck, then reveal another random card off the top.
Originally posted by Brook Gardner-Durbin:
Randileigh - as stated above, at a Competitive REL event, this should be a game loss, so we don't have to worry about a fix.
At Regular REL, I agree with Tyrone here:Originally posted by Tyrone Phillips:
At regular I would have them desideboard, shuffle while maintaining the position of any cards known in the deck, then reveal another random card off the top.
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