Good morning/evening,
I need a confirmation.
I've been told that a FNM tournament must not end after midnight, otherwise the event gets invalidated.
This news surprised me, as I wonder how a tournament that starts in the evening (let's say 9:30PM) with a dozen of people or more (which means three or four rounds) can end and be reported before midnight.
Is there such rule? (if yes, could you please write the link to the web page or the position of the rule in the official documents)
Thank you.

Riccardo

This is not the case. FNM or any tournament may get invalidated if it is run on a different date than what it was announced to be. Crossing the midnight threshold could cause this, but I’ve personally never seen it happen. If it has happened to someone, provide me the sanctioning number and I’ll research to confirm.

Andy


From: Riccardo Tessitori
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:10 AM
To: Heckt, Andy
Subject: Friday Night Magic and midnight (Tournament Operations)


Good morning/evening,
I need a confirmation.
I've been told that a FNM tournament must not end after midnight, otherwise the event gets invalidated.
This news surprised me, as I wonder how a tournament that starts in the evening (let's say 9:30PM) with a dozen of people or more (which means three or four rounds) can end and be reported before midnight.
Is there such rule? (if yes, could you please write the link to the web page or the position of the rule in the official documents)
Thank you.

Riccardo

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When you try to end an event after midnight WER won't let you. Its a program feature. In the past I've heard of judges “fixing” the clock on the computer to allow the event to end and then upload.

Nick,

Please provide me a sanctioning number for this behavior, so I can pass to the dev. team.

Thanks,
Andy


From: Nick Rutkowski
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:23 AM
To: Heckt, Andy
Subject: Re: Friday Night Magic and midnight (Tournament Operations)


When you try to end an event after midnight WER won't let you. Its a program feature. In the past I've heard of judges “fixing” the clock on the computer to allow the event to end and then upload.

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I don't have any examples myself. I've just heard of other stores doing it. It was awhile ago so I don't remember what store it was. I'll see if I can find someone with an example.

Nick ive seen this issue before as the store i regularly judge FNM at runs two FNMs the 2nd almost always finishing around 12:30-1am. The message normally just states that there MAY be an issue since the dates of the two events dont match and they always seem to upload normally. I've yet to see a player not receive their PWP's from this or had any other issues with it not uploading because of this.

Andy,

This may be of some use. An LGS ran a pre-release at 7:30pm Saturday and
did not finish until after midnight. They could initially not upload the
results (I don't know what the error message they got was, I wasn't
present). They went back into WER later on Sunday and saw that the option
to Upload was enabled and were able to upload without issue. The sanction
ID is 14-07-5263194

Adam Hubble
L2, Ridgeland, MS

Thanks. I do not see an error email associated. ☹

Andy


From: Adam Hubble
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 2:10 PM
To: Heckt, Andy
Subject: Re: Friday Night Magic and midnight (Tournament Operations)


Andy,

This may be of some use. An LGS ran a pre-release at 7:30pm Saturday and
did not finish until after midnight. They could initially not upload the
results (I don't know what the error message they got was, I wasn't
present). They went back into WER later on Sunday and saw that the option
to Upload was enabled and were able to upload without issue. The sanction
ID is 14-07-5263194

Adam Hubble
L2, Ridgeland, MS

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My store regularly starts FNM at 1900hrs and finishes after midnight, we've never gotten a message like this that i know of.

Hey Andy, I have had this happen to me on numerous occasions at FNM when I forget to report it, and then it won't report the next day.

The most memorable occasion was a GPT that went past midnight, and I happen to have the sanctioning number here: 14-04-5037075.

I have seen this issue many times, and it is pretty annoying when scheduling events at conventions, where the late events often cross midnight (at least at Swedish gaming conventions).

As far as I've seen, it is only an issue if you start a round after midnight. If your last round starts on the same date as the sanctioning date, you should be good to go, even if the event ends after midnight.

I've had it not let me pair the last round if it has passed the mid-night threshold. I don't have the numbers anymore though. Anything that could help with this, would be fantastic.

As Nick mentioned above, WER is only checking your local system clock, so you could (technically speaking) just change the date & time on your computer back to before midnight. I don't know if that's seen as an acceptable fix policy-wise.

As policy allows you to do it, just the software (may) have an issue, it's
something I'd definitely do before considering ending the tournament early
or anything else radical.


On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 9:56 PM, James Winward-Stuart <
forum-11277-5f1c@apps.magicjudges.org> wrote:

> As Nick mentioned above, WER is only checking your local system clock, so
> you could (technically speaking) just change the date & time on your
> computer back to before midnight. I don't know if that's seen as an
> acceptable fix policy-wise.
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I can also add something to this issue because I had experience with.

I scorekeeped a couple of big PTQs/WMCQs and I left sometimes the venue with the laptop after the start of top 8. The pairings for top 8 are fixed, so that for finishing the top 8 a laptop is not needed.

When I'm trying to enter the top 8 pairings on the next day, I get this error message. I usualy than export the event and send it to my local Wizards Office. Up to now, they were able to report the event. I already reported this as a bug, but the developers couldn't verify it (perhaps of my to short description back than). I'm going to report this again with a more detailed description in the hope to get it fixed.