Hey all! This is based on a recent Facebook post that came up in a group I'm a part of. While answering the post I noticed what may be an oversight in the JAR and was wondering if it was an oversight or if there was a reason behind it. Here's the situation:

Players A and B are sideboarding. While Player B is sideboarding, player A notices that Player B's sideboard looks a bit strange. Player A asks to see Player B's sideboard, which Player B refuses. Player A calls a judge. Player B refuses to let the judge see the sideboard.

As currently written (in the version in Judge Core App for Android, which I presume is the most recent), this situation is not covered. Is refusing to let the judge verify the sideboard considered a Serious Problem? Why or why not?

Of note: In the IPG, as best I can tell, this would be UC - Minor, formerly Failure to Follow Direct Instruction, which is a Warning. Assuming Player B has something to hide, this Warning could be upgraded at least to repeated ML, if not a full DQ.

Edited Lyle Waldman (Aug. 9, 2015 11:16:27 PM)

Originally posted by Lyle Waldman:

Player A calls a judge. Player B refuses to let the judge see the sideboard.

I think this action violate “Players must answer all questions asked of them by a judge completely and honestly, regardless of the type of information requested” in MTR 4.1.

I'll tell player B that he must show his sideboard to judge by rules. If he refuse it again, then DQ is only option we have because he knowingly violate rules for advantage.

Originally posted by Kenji Suzuki:

Lyle Waldman
Player A calls a judge. Player B refuses to let the judge see the sideboard.

I think this action violate “Players must answer all questions asked of them by a judge completely and honestly, regardless of the type of information requested” in MTR 4.1.

I'll tell player B that he must show his sideboard to judge by rules. If he refuse it again, then DQ is only option we have because he knowingly violate rules for advantage.

My issue with this is that how do you know he's violating the rules “for advantage”? Playing devil's advocate here, but let's say the player has had cards stolen from him in the past and is extremely possessive of his cards, and doesn't even trust judges to take care of his cards properly. Therefore he's violating the rules, but not for advantage.

So in real life you'd ask the simple question of “Why wont you show me
your sideboard?”. I'd probably ask that before most of the other
questions because the refusal would surprise me greatly and satisfying
my natural curiosity is a strong motivator.

And if the player answered along the lines of Lyle's comments then
it'd be a simple request for the player to fan them out on a table for
me.

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Lyle Waldman
<forum-20435-7826@apps.magicjudges.org> wrote:
> Kenji Suzuki
>
> Lyle Waldman
> Player A calls a judge. Player B refuses to let the judge see the sideboard.
>
>
> I think this action violate “Players must answer all questions asked of them
> by a judge completely and honestly, regardless of the type of information
> requested” in MTR 4.1.
>
> I'll tell player B that he must show his sideboard to judge by rules. If he
> refuse it again, then DQ is only option we have because he knowingly violate
> rules for advantage.
>
>
> My issue with this is that how do you know he's violating the rules “for
> advantage”? Playing devil's advocate here, but let's say the player has had
> cards stolen from him in the past and is extremely possessive of his cards,
> and doesn't even trust judges to take care of his cards properly. Therefore
> he's violating the rules, but not for advantage.
>
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It was pointed out to me that MTR 5.4 answers this question, so I guess thread answered. I was unaware of MTR 5.4.