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Interesting situation during Deck Check today

June 23, 2019 03:43:20 PM [Original Post]

Tim Boura
Judge (Level 1 (Judge Academy))

United Kingdom, Ireland, and South Africa

Interesting situation during Deck Check today

Judging a competitive REL event today I had an interesting situation come up and would like to start a discussion on the ruling and whether it was handled correctly and whether we missed anything.

During a start of round deck check two things were discovered:
A. Two sideboard cards had not been de-sideboarded
B. The deck list showed 3 steam vents and 4 sulfur falls. The deck contained 4 and 3 respectively.

These are potentially two separate problems, A is a Deck Problem, B is either a Deck List Problem or a Deck Problem and as a result even though they were found in the same deck check there is the potential that two Game Losses will be issued here.

However the player has a choice, because we can either fix the deck list to match the deck (altering the count on the two lands) in which case they get DLP for that. Or we can fix the deck to match the deck list in which case they get DP.

Normally they get a Game Loss either way, but here the situation is slightly odd because the existing DP would combine with a new DP but not with a DLP. So understandably the player chose to amend their deck rather than their deck list and take the single Game Loss for a DP and no DLP.

Did we miss anything or is there any way we could have handled this better? It seemed odd to be basically giving a player a choice of “do you want 1 game loss or 2 from your deck check experience?”.

Edited Tim Boura (June 23, 2019 03:45:56 PM)

June 23, 2019 04:39:31 PM [Marked as Accepted Answer]

Scott Marshall
Forum Moderator
Judge (Level 4 (Judge Foundry)), Hall of Fame

USA - Southwest

Interesting situation during Deck Check today

As Milan noted, this situation should not result in two Game Loss penalties. Additionally, we should work with the player - within reason - to end up with a list that matches what they intended to play.

In your case, change the list to reflect the actual land count (assuming the player confirms that’s what they want), correct their sideboarding failure, and issue a single Game Loss.

d:^D

June 23, 2019 04:22:06 PM

Milan Majerčík
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Academy)), Scorekeeper

Europe - Central

Interesting situation during Deck Check today

Originally posted by IPG 1.1:

If a player would receive two or more Game Losses at the same time, they only receive one.

June 23, 2019 04:39:31 PM [Marked as Accepted Answer]

Scott Marshall
Forum Moderator
Judge (Level 4 (Judge Foundry)), Hall of Fame

USA - Southwest

Interesting situation during Deck Check today

As Milan noted, this situation should not result in two Game Loss penalties. Additionally, we should work with the player - within reason - to end up with a list that matches what they intended to play.

In your case, change the list to reflect the actual land count (assuming the player confirms that’s what they want), correct their sideboarding failure, and issue a single Game Loss.

d:^D

June 24, 2019 02:29:57 AM

Tim Boura
Judge (Level 1 (Judge Academy))

United Kingdom, Ireland, and South Africa

Interesting situation during Deck Check today

Thanks. I knew I remembered seeing something like that but we couldn't find it anywhere under deck check or either DP or DLP.

I should have thought to do a search for “game loss” on the IPG. Lesson learnt…