Edited Stefano Ferrari (Oct. 30, 2013 06:10:42 PM)
Edited Rebecca Lawrence (Oct. 23, 2013 11:08:02 PM)
Edited Jean-François DURMONT (Oct. 23, 2013 11:30:55 PM)
Originally posted by Stefano Ferrari:
This allows me to put the Boon Satyr in the battlefield under Alex's control
Nathaniel Lawrence
Edit: To expand on my no fix reasoning - I don't believe this is a case of an object changing zones being placed into the wrong zone. From my perspective, since the Bestow mechanic is an exception to the common knowledge that targeted spells are countered by game rules if they don't have a legal target, Nick improperly removed his spell from the stack - it was not resolved and put into the wrong zone, it simply wasn't resolved at all.
Edited Eric Paré (Oct. 24, 2013 01:35:10 AM)
Edited Kevin Guinn (Oct. 24, 2013 02:45:47 AM)
Originally posted by Kevin Guinn:
So the real question (to me) is whether we can move Nick's Boon Satyr from the graveyard to the battlefield. The “Bestowaway” occurred before blockers were declared, so HAD Nick made the proper play and put Boon Satyr on the battlefield, it opens up the can of worms on whether he would have blocked with it, what creature he would have blocked with it, and whether it (along with an attacking creature) would have even survived to the current turn. Because of that, I don't feel that putting the Boon Satyr back on the battlefield gives us a definitive answer to what the board state SHOULD be, merely one option that it COULD be, all while raising other questions which could undermine the value of the partial fix in returning the Boon Satyr.
These procedures do not, and should not, take into account the game being played, the current situation that the game is in, or who will benefit strategically from the procedure associated with a penalty. While it is tempting to try to “fix” game situations, the danger of missing a subtle detail or showing favoritism to a player (even unintentionally) makes it a bad idea.
Edited Toby Hazes (Oct. 24, 2013 01:02:03 PM)
Originally posted by Lyle Waldman:
I would email WotC R&D and tell them the Bestow rules, as an exception and a hack to the way the rules normally work, is confusing to many players and should be undone. Then there wouldn't be a problem here =D
Edited David de la Iglesia (Oct. 24, 2013 03:57:59 AM)
Originally posted by Nathaniel Lawrence:
Edit: To expand on my no fix reasoning - I don't believe this is a case of an object changing zones being placed into the wrong zone. From my perspective, since the Bestow mechanic is an exception to the common knowledge that targeted spells are countered by game rules if they don't have a legal target, Nick improperly removed his spell from the stack - it was not resolved and put into the wrong zone, it simply wasn't resolved at all.
Originally posted by Chris Nowak:I can't find anything illegal in destruction of the Minotaur with Hero's Downfall. Downfall resolved properly. Both Minotaur and Downfall were put in correct zones. Satyr is put into the graveyard clearly by N's train of thought, which led him to believe that a Bestow spell is countered on resolution because of its targets becoming illegal. It's all controlled by one player.
This looks like it fits the situation where the effect is controlled by one player (destruction), but the action is taken by the other (graveyard), and we should be issuing GRV warnings to both players.
Originally posted by Eric Paré:Stefano Ferrari
This allows me to put the Boon Satyr in the battlefield under Alex's control
Why would you give Nick's Boon Satyr to Alex?
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