Hi

In addition to the thread posted by Martin Koehler regarding the usage of foreign language boosters in sealed events, I have a question to ask, and I can't find the answers anywhere.

Is it possible for the TOs to provide an option to the participating players, for them to bring their own unopened sealed boosters for a rebate for the entry fee of the event (or sort of repurchasing boosters from the players).

The collected boosters will be mixed together with the other products to either be given off as prizes or for the sealed deck.

Reason for the question:
The TO for the GPT may not have enough products for all players if there is an unexpected turnout, and may be unlikely for the TO to get enough before the event. The TO doesn't wants to reject players or limit the size of the GPT.

Is this allowed?

You mentioned the most important part - collect those boosters, and mix them with others, to make sure no one can claim shenanigans.

I'm sure that's an acceptable solution to the issue.

Thanks - Scott Marshall, L5, Denver

I was leery about taking packs as payment when “box mapping” was a thing. As far as I know boxes are no longer mappable.

I'm sure creative people could find a way to exploit being able to turn up
with their own packs if they knew they were going to build from those
packs, lets just cut them off at the past and randomise the packs they
bring :)


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Originally posted by Adam Zakreski:

I was leery about taking packs as payment when “box mapping” was a thing. As far as I know boxes are no longer mappable.

Box Mapping is still very much possible, and as a matter of fact, RtR has been mapped VERY quickly, much faster than the editions before, where the maps usually came out too late to sheningan at limited events (guess the algorithm was easy to identify).

Source: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=452602&page=13.

Complete and supposedly correct Map can also be found here - didn't check it, but users in the thread linked above used it to correctly announce the rares in other users displays from a few key-cards, so it seems to be:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtgC5yhf5N-ldFBzNE1IVEtTU1gxUHVYdjZXVDdlZGc#gid=0


Edit: What Gareth said. Otherwise, I could turn up at your PTQ, if I may play my own packs, and build myself a 6 Pack Rats pool at the expense of something around 4-8 Displays, which doesn't sound as that great of an investment for an almost secure spot in Top8….

Edited Philip Ockelmann (Dec. 11, 2012 04:43:16 AM)

At the risk of derailing this thread, if box mapping is possible and/or easy, is there anything in particular I should be doing differently to run a competitive-level sealed event even if the TO is providing all the product? Should I be mixing boosters somehow so that players in one area of the room don't all get boosters from the same box? Should I do anything special about which boosters I use for the Top 8 draft?

Without the ability to refer to outside notes during the draft and/or deck construction period, I think it would be nearly impossible for a player to make effective use of print run/mapping information in a tournament with TO-supplied packs.

That said, it would only take you about 10 seconds to scramble the packs in a box, or among different boxes, before handing them out, thus defeating even the most sophisticated of attacks.

I don't think being able to see 3/6 packs is nearly enough to derive any useful information. Especially since there's no way of knowing if the TO followed a pattern of drawing 3 down, 3 across, etc…

However going from 1 box, if you draw a mythic you know there's a relatively high chance that you're the only one with that mythic. I think that's all you'd know though.