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Can Judges ignore CR 720.1 while doing backups?

April 1, 2018 09:26:08 PM [Original Post]

Johannes Wagner
Judge (Level 2 (International Judge Program))

German-speaking countries

Can Judges ignore CR 720.1 while doing backups?

Lets start with this line: There is no cheating involved. This is the conclusion of an investigation, with some good copjudges bad copjudges situations.
Also: requesting O'

Situation 1a: At a comp REL event a player uses the mana ability of Chromatic Sphere while casting a spell and notices after drawing that he doesnt have enough mana for the spell. The card is still facedown. Do we rewind the draw?

Situation 1b: At a comp REL event a player uses the mana ability of Chromatic Sphere while casting a spell and notices after drawing that he doesnt have enough mana for the spell. Do we rewind the draw?

Situation 2: At a comp REL event a player uses the mana ability of Selvala, Explorer Returned while casting a spell and notices after drawing that he doesnt have enough mana for the spell. Do we rewind the draws?

So, while doing a backup, do we judges ignore CR720.1 or are we rewinding those draws?

Inspiration came from this reddit thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/88qtrb/reaons_why_you_should_run_a_panglacial_wurm_in/

Edited Johannes Wagner (April 1, 2018 09:39:41 PM)

April 2, 2018 12:06:31 AM [Marked as Accepted Answer]

Scott Marshall
Forum Moderator
Judge (Level 4 (Judge Foundry)), Hall of Fame

USA - Northwest

Can Judges ignore CR 720.1 while doing backups?

Short version: no, no, and no.

In all three examples, activating those mana abilities was legal, even though they were done during what turns out to be an illegal action. They aren't illegal, so they aren't rewound.

Problems can arise with activating Chromatic Sphere during casting of a spell, which is why (a) you don't get to look at the drawn card until you finish casting the spell, and (b) cards like Chromatic Star have a different template to prevent problems.

d:^D

April 1, 2018 11:00:55 PM

John Brian McCarthy
Forum Moderator
Judge (Level 5 (Judge Foundry)), Grand Prix Head Judge

USA - Midatlantic

Can Judges ignore CR 720.1 while doing backups?

Locking this thread. Removing some responses. Making sure it's not an April Fools' Day Joke.

Originally posted by Brock Ullom:

So I know I'm not an “O”fficial answer source I'd like to talk about this.

After someone requests an (O)fficial answer, please click the “Report” button to alert a forum moderator so we can procure an O response. Providing a guess only confuses folks who read it later.

Edited John Brian McCarthy (April 1, 2018 11:06:18 PM)

April 2, 2018 12:06:31 AM [Marked as Accepted Answer]

Scott Marshall
Forum Moderator
Judge (Level 4 (Judge Foundry)), Hall of Fame

USA - Northwest

Can Judges ignore CR 720.1 while doing backups?

Short version: no, no, and no.

In all three examples, activating those mana abilities was legal, even though they were done during what turns out to be an illegal action. They aren't illegal, so they aren't rewound.

Problems can arise with activating Chromatic Sphere during casting of a spell, which is why (a) you don't get to look at the drawn card until you finish casting the spell, and (b) cards like Chromatic Star have a different template to prevent problems.

d:^D

April 2, 2018 01:28:03 AM

Johannes Wagner
Judge (Level 2 (International Judge Program))

German-speaking countries

Can Judges ignore CR 720.1 while doing backups?

@JBM: Nope, it wasnt an April Fool's Joke. It was already 3:30 am on April 2nd.

@Scott: Thank you for your answer :) So we are sticking to that rule when doing backups as judges.

April 2, 2018 09:57:23 AM

Brock Ullom
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Academy))

USA - Northwest

Can Judges ignore CR 720.1 while doing backups?

Originally posted by John Brian McCarthy:

Locking this thread. Removing some responses. Making sure it's not an April Fools' Day Joke.

After someone requests an (O)fficial answer, please click the “Report” button to alert a forum moderator so we can procure an O response. Providing a guess only confuses folks who read it later.

My apologies, I didn't know there was a procedure to procuring an “O” response.

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