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Chancellor of the Annex and floating mana

March 23, 2019 03:44:36 PM [Original Post]

Isaac King
Judge (Uncertified)

Barriere, Canada

Chancellor of the Annex and floating mana

Cynthia reveals Chancellor of the Annex from their opening hand. On Dave's first turn he plays an Island and passes the turn. On Cynthia's first turn she casts Faithless Looting. Dave casts Daze returning the Island to his hand, saying “float a blue”. Both players put their spells into the graveyard and Cynthia passes the turn, at which point Dave tries to cast Brainstorm with the floating blue. Cynthia says that the blue was spent to pay for the Chancellor …
Cynthia reveals Chancellor of the Annex from their opening hand. On Dave's first turn he plays an Island and passes the turn. On Cynthia's first turn she casts Faithless Looting. Dave casts Daze returning the Island to his hand, saying “float a blue”. Both players put their spells into the graveyard and Cynthia passes the turn, at which point Dave tries to cast Brainstorm with the floating blue. Cynthia says that the blue was spent to pay for the Chancellor trigger, while Dave claims the trigger was missed since Cynthia never said anything about it.

The MTR and the IPG both have lines that would seem to say that Dave is correct and the trigger was missed.

MTR 4.2
During the resolution of one of their spells or abilities, a player may not assume their opponent has taken a shortcut. They must seek confirmation that a choice with no visible impact was taken.

IPG 2.1
Even if an opponent is involved in the announcement or resolution of the ability, the controller is still responsible for ensuring the opponents make the appropriate choices and take the appropriate actions.

Do these lines apply here? Or are those meant for different situations and we should fall back on the philosophy of “Triggered abilities are assumed to be remembered until otherwise indicated, and the impact on the game state may not be immediately apparent.”, thus ruling with Cynthia that the trigger resolved and was paid for?



Official answer please.

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Edited Scott Marshall (March 23, 2019 03:52:37 PM)

March 23, 2019 06:43:07 PM [Marked as Accepted Answer]

Scott Marshall
Forum Moderator
Judge (Level 4 (Judge Foundry)), Hall of Fame

USA - Northwest

Chancellor of the Annex and floating mana

As I recall, cards like Rhystic Study and Frost Titan influenced the quotes you included, esp. that phrasing in the IPG. What we wanted was to avoid the “gotcha” that could be achieved by remaining silent in hopes that Study would let you draw, or Titan would protect itself.

While your example is a bit different, the wording of policy confirms that Cynthia failed in her obligation to both point out the Chancellor's trigger, and confirm that Dave was using …
As I recall, cards like Rhystic Study and Frost Titan influenced the quotes you included, esp. that phrasing in the IPG. What we wanted was to avoid the “gotcha” that could be achieved by remaining silent in hopes that Study would let you draw, or Titan would protect itself.

While your example is a bit different, the wording of policy confirms that Cynthia failed in her obligation to both point out the Chancellor's trigger, and confirm that Dave was using the floating mana to pay. Instead, she assumed and the cost of that assumption is Dave gets to act as though she forgot her trigger; Dave's position (really, his assumption) is defensible, because it's Cynthia's burden to point out the trigger and have Dave choose whether or not to pay 1.

Or, short version: players who assume things usually don't like the outcome.

d:^D

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April 4, 2019 09:44:02 AM

Andrew Keeler
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Academy))

USA - Southeast

Chancellor of the Annex and floating mana

Originally posted by Bartłomiej Wieszok:

Shawn is not one of persons who can provide you with a official answer. On that topic - list of judges who can do that is rather unusual (two known L3s and two not so known L2). Could we have extra “flare” for them (under avatar)? A

I mean, the green “marked as accepted answer” banner seems pretty visible to me for situations where ‘O’ is required. Not everything requires ‘O’, so tagging answers seems a better policy than tagging people.