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Soulfire Grand Master VS Temporal Trespass And Manifest Comp REL vs Morph Comp REL

Dec. 30, 2014 09:45:43 PM

Ted Holten
Judge (Uncertified), Scorekeeper

USA - Northeast

Soulfire Grand Master VS Temporal Trespass And Manifest Comp REL vs Morph Comp REL

As far as I can tell, Soulfire Grand Master offers a replacement effect by activating his ability. Part of Temporal Trespass's effect on the card states to Exile Temporal Trespass. Does this mean the replacement effect doesn't effect the card?

Currently not revealing morph after a game results in a warning. Am I to assume that the same will take place for Manifest, or because of how important that information is that we will see a game loss for Competitive REL for Manifest?

Ted Holten
L1 Judge, Massachusetts

Edited Scott Marshall (Jan. 15, 2015 02:17:00 PM)

Jan. 15, 2015 02:14:14 PM

Nathan Long
Forum Moderator
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Foundry))

USA - Southwest

Soulfire Grand Master VS Temporal Trespass And Manifest Comp REL vs Morph Comp REL

The Grand Master's effect only applies if the instant or sorcery would go to the graveyard while it's resolving. Temportal Trespass won't try to go to the graveyard, however - it exiles itself as part of resolving. Since it never tries to go to the graveyard, it cannot be returned to your hand and it ends up exiled.

We're treating all face-down permanents and spells the same way. It doesn't matter if it was manifested or cast via morph - when the game ends (or if the face down card would leave the battlefield or the face down spell would leave the stack except to go to the battlefield), it must be revealed to all players. And remember: not revealing the face down card at the end of the game is a warning now, it's no longer a game loss. Manifest doesn't change this.

Nathan Long
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