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Bloody Bestow

Oct. 10, 2013 09:56:29 AM

Matthias Eckstein
Judge (Uncertified)

German-speaking countries

Bloody Bestow

Hello again!

Something that is not 100% clear to me, is he interaction of bestow and cards like Blood Funnel or Kor Spiritdancer. Thanks to Riki’s Article (http://www.starcitygames.com/article/27030_This-Is-Theros.html) I learned, that when I cast a creature for its Bestow-Cost, for a short moment at the beginning of the casting-process, it is still a creature and not an Aura.

So, how does it interact it with Blood Funnel?

First: I think the cost-reduction-effect applies, because when determining the cost of the spell, the mode has already been chosen and the spell is already a noncreature-spell.

But how about the triggered ability of Blood Funnel?
Does it not trigger, because at the beginning, when the spell was put on the stack, it was a creature (before modes are chosen) and the trigger checks only at the beginning?
Or does it trigger, because it “transformed” into a noncreature-spell during the not-completed casting-process and the trigger checks during the whole process?

Same with Kor Spiritdancer, do I get to draw a card, or not?

Thank you in advance!

EDIT: Blood Funnel Kor Spiritdancer

Edited Matthias Eckstein (Oct. 10, 2013 12:41:36 PM)

Oct. 13, 2013 12:50:32 PM

Nathan Long
Forum Moderator
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Foundry))

USA - Southwest

Bloody Bestow

One of the first steps of announcing a spell is choosing if you're going to be using alternate costs or not (specifically, rule 601.2b). In the case of bestow, if you choose to cast the enchantment creature for its bestow cost, you'll finish announcing the spell as if it was an ‘Enchantment -aura’. It won't be an ‘Enchantment Creature’ anymore. Since you're finishing announcement as a noncreature spell, when we get to the step when we're determining the cost of the spell, Blood Funnel will see that you're casting a noncreature spell and it will reduce the cost by 2.

Blood Funnel triggers when you cast a spell, and a spell isn't considered cast until the final part of casting the spell, not when you start announcing the spell (rule 601.2h is the rule that applies here). When you're finally done announcing the spell cast via bestow, it's not a creature spell, so the Funnel will trigger and you'll have to sacrifice a creature or counter the bestowed spell. Likewise, when you're done announcing the spell, it's an aura spell, so the Spiritdancer would trigger if you cast a spell for its bestow cost.

In short: Blood Funnel will reduce the cost of playing the bestowed creature by 2, but the Funnel's ability will trigger.

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