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Theros gods devotion abilities and removal from combat

Jan. 17, 2015 12:35:02 AM

Farid Taoubi
Judge (Uncertified)

German-speaking countries

Theros gods devotion abilities and removal from combat

Hello,

Alpha controls a Nylea, God of the Hunt, a Courser of Kruphix and a Swordwise Centaur. November controls a Vedalken Shackles which took control of an Kalonian Tusker owned by Alpha earlier in the game.

Alpha attacks with all creatures (including Nylea, God of the Hunt. November resolves a Fracturing Gust, which destroys Courser of Kruphix and Vedalken Shackles. So Alpha regains control of his Kalonian Tusker.

Will Nylea, God of the Hunst still be attacking, or is there a “brief time” after Vedalken Shackles and Courser of Kruphix get destroyed, before Kalonian Tusker changes control, removing her from combat?

If not: Please explain the difference between this and the recent Nylea question in Cranial Insertions: Ave, Lector! Nos Submergere Saluto!

Thank You.

Jan. 20, 2015 04:25:24 PM

Callum Milne
Forum Moderator
Judge (Uncertified)

Canada - Western Provinces

Theros gods devotion abilities and removal from combat

Nylea, God of the Hunt will still be attacking. There is no time in this situation when Alpha's devotion to green is less than five. For anyone who hasn't read the Cranial Insertion article, it's effectively exactly the same, only it uses Banishing Light instead of Vedalken Shackles, which changes the answer–in that case, Nylea does briefly stop being a creature, and is removed from combat.

The difference between these two scenarios is that Vedalken Shackles works by applying a continuous effect, while Banishing Light performs a one-shot action and tells you to perform a second one-shot action immediately after some other event occurs. (See CR610.3.)

Compare the game state immediately after Vedalken Shackles is destroyed to the game state immediately after a Banishing Light is destroyed, before any other actions are performed in either case.

Immediately after Vedalken Shackles is destroyed, Alpha controls Nylea and Swordwise Centaur, and we also have a Kalonian Tusker sitting on the battlefield. Who controls that Tusker? Alpha does, because no continuous effect exists that might change that. So Alpha has a devotion to green of 5, and Nylea is active.

On the other hand, immediately after Banishing Light is destroyed, Alpha controls Nylea and Swordwise Centaur, and there's a Kalonian Tusker sitting in exile. Alpha therefore has a devotion to green of 3, so Nylea is not a creature and is therefore no longer in combat. (See CR506.4) The very next action that will occur in the game will put that Tusker onto the battlefield under Alpha's control, but it's too late–Nylea's no longer attacking.

Edited Callum Milne (Jan. 20, 2015 04:32:03 PM)

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