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HelmLine and Colossus

Nov. 4, 2018 10:38:48 PM

Eli Meyer
Judge (Level 2 (Judge Academy))

USA - Northeast

HelmLine and Colossus

AP controls Leyline of the Void and activates Helm of Obedience targeting NAP. NAP has a Darksteel Colossus in her library. Can NAP draw the game?

Previously, the answer was no. However, the new guidance on loops plus Uncle Scott's answer here make me wonder if this has changed. Specifically, NAP is not taking any game actions; she's forced to make a choice by 616.1, and is simply choosing accordingly. That appears to fall under the same guidelines that result in a draw in the above linked answer. Is that correct?

Nov. 5, 2018 05:36:04 PM

Toby Elliott
Forum Moderator
Judge (Level 3 (Judge Academy)), L3 Panel Lead

USA - Northeast

HelmLine and Colossus

They cannot. Eventually, they have to make a different choice and lose.

The difference between this and the linked answer is that the other one involves hidden information, so all “cards” are identical from a discard a card perspective.